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right after that briefing. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." a quick programming note. be sure to join chuck this sunday for a prime time special. decision 2020. one hundred days to go. he will take a look at the state of the presidential race with our nbc news political team as well as some special guests will watch sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc, or you can catch it two hours earlier on nbc news now, cnbc.com and telemundo.com. in the meantime, "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hey, thank you. >> we will join biomedical experts to get into all the medical facts. let's recap what we witnessed and learned coming out of our press conference as well as the known facts on the pandemic. this was president trump's third coronavirus press conference. as he has explained, he is doing
shorter versions of his presentations without medical experts in the room. and there's news. the president explaining why he has changed his mind and his plans about an in-person republican convention in florida. >> so i told my team, it's time to cancel the jacksonville, florida come possibly of the gop convention. we're going to do some other things with telerallies the week that we're discussing, which will be really good. i think we'll do it well. and i'll still do a convention speech in a different form. >> this is a major development with both mit and health implications. the president had, as you probably know from watching the news, spoken over and over about the importance of him continuing to hold the in-person rallies that he has. the president now citing safety as his rationale out of respect for what the cdc has been
saying, changing the plans. you heard him there yourself saying no in-person convention. look what we know about the virus across the country. the united states has now crossed this confirmed case number as well as 145,000 deaths. it took united states about 100 days to get to 1 million from the first confirmed case. 27 days to 3 million, and this is so important, as you look to the right hand side of the screen. this is the context you need to understand what we've heard from the white house. we're about to bring in the doctors. we are now 16 days to get to 4 million. this is not the rate, obviously, that medical experts at the cdc want. and this is not only as we've learned because of testing, although there has been an increase in testing, but because of a wired spread. the president speaking about cdc guidance regarding reopening schools. take a look. >> take additional guidance for how they can reopen safely.
i hope that local leaders put the full health and well being of their students first and make the right decision for students, parents, teachers and not make political decisions. >> all of this against the back drop of what everyone is living through. a tough economic situation. we want to show you the virus basically is part of the reason that another 1.4 million people have formally filed for unemployment. if you take it all together, over 50 million unemployed. republicans had been planning to release a stimulus relief plan today. that was pulled back basically at the last minute. usually when we get those updates, it is the preamble to a rollout. there's also the $600 a week that reportedly as of the most recent reporting we have, was not necessarily in that draft plan. those are the facts you need. now we bring in our medical experts.
good day to both of you. dr. pattel, there were several pieces that we heard from the president. i will begin with schools because it is so important to so many people. your view of what we heard and what parents and communities need to know. >> sure. thanks. i think what i heard was what felt like looking in the rear view mirror to kind of talk about our rosy picture. we have an incredibly large parts of the country that are still dealing with cases increasing at such a rate that it would be foolish to think about any sort of reopening, much less bringing children into that environment. and the facts are that children can transmit the virus and hospitalizations and the implications of that for kids are very real. so we shouldn't be making these false comparisons like it's not as bad, it is worse adults. the simple matter is that we can't be arrogant enough to
think we have everything in place. and the best way to reopen schools safely for the worker, teachers, parents and children is to have that support. the testing, as you point out. i can order a test and it takes me a week to get the results back. that's not actionable for anybody. and only a third of schools have a school nurse. so imagine how hard it is to make those decisions. stimulus funding alone is not going to be enough. it has to be a blend between health and education. i didn't hear any of that today. >> we try to begin every night with the facts and track they will. you just raised a very single, very telling fact. could you speak more about that? that there is not that many nurses to go around in american schooling today? >> correct. so a third of schools in the country have a full time nurse. another 10 to final% have a part time, sometimes volunteer nurse. that's often, especially in some of the largest school districts
that are disproportionately low income, many have no health resources. so imagine if you're a teacher or a principal or a childcare specialist trying to make decisions about what do you do if a child shows up with a feverle shut the school down? what is the implication of that? how do parents respond to that if they get a call to pick up their children? this is what we need advice on. that's what is being delegated and shoved into the responsibility of local jurisdictions and this is where we really need leadership the most. those are the facts. that's the kind of support that i think will be left to congress, states to deal with. and not enough for parents and children. >> doctor azar? >> yes, gosh, great points as always. a few different ways to think about this are the following. you can think about children in schools as sort of a microcosm of what is happening in their
communities. the american academy of pediatrics, yes, of course they're saying, we're all saying in the ideal situation, you would open schools and the president enumerated an entire laundry list of negative consequences of not going to school, which we all understand. it is a false equivalence to say because of that, we should march into school. it is important that the american academy of pediatrics stated, yes, open the schools if community transmission in your area is low. that's one of the most important key elements here. there are only two states right now where cases are decreasing. so technically only two states in the country which would meet that basic requirement. back to facts because we flikts. this week we had a lot of information about viral transmission amongst young kids. what we have now from a number of different studies is evidence that children, ages 10 and up, can transmit as efficiently as
adults do. what that means to summits and educators and to parents, if they have middle school or high school age children, that's not a green light for them. yes, we feel very happy and reassured that younger children don't get as sick as adults and they might not transmit as efficiently as adults do. that's maybe elementary school age or younger. nursery school children. remember there are children with underlying medical conditions who can get very, very ill. children, even though they make up the mall minority of fatalities can smyl die from. this children under the age of 1 and let's not forget the multisystem anti-inflammatory that can be deadly to children. so yes, we're happy they don't make up the majority of cases but they are not unaffected. >> yes. those of you hague that out, and i'm sure that's useful for
parents trying to make sense of this. take a listen to the trump former chief talking about the trajectory we are on. what kind of death rate are we looking at where the president used his third briefing to make news. not only on schools but the concern about the danger of large gatherings. >> in the united states, by the end of year, we could have up to 300,000 if we continue on the current trajectory. if we don't change that trajectory, you could do the math and see where we are toward the end of the year. >> dr. azar? >> yeah. so fatalities in and of themselves, yes, that's the worst and most devastating outcome. there are hundreds of thousands of families who will be affected by that. i want to circle back to, we're talking about the fact younger adults are getting affected and they may not be dying but they are suffering and they're suffering significantly. and that is the next story and
that's the story for a very, very long time about chronic covid symptoms and how that is impacting our young adults, possibly even our children, and how that will impact our work force moving forward. it is not unexpected that we're having an increase in deaths. that follows the increase in hospitalizations. if those peaks don't start changing, we'll see many more deaths in the weeks to come. >> all very sobering. dr. pattel. he will change course and not push forward with those plans to held to inperson republican national convention. a key to any candidate's campaign, as he had intended to do in florida. your response? >> well, i can tell you, there was not a single person that i knew even about a month ago when we saw cases rising in florida
that thought there should be a convention of any kind, any gathering. so yes, i'm relieved that it is technically official. again, it feels like it is looking in a rear view mirror. we feel behind in so many of our actions. this being one of them. we need to get ahead of this or we will suffer the consequences, the deaths, the cases. i'm really hopeful that you're seeing even republican governors with an against mask mandates, changing their shift in tone, implementing statewide measures and we'll have to do that as a country to get some flattening of the curve. >> dr. patel and dr. azar, walking us through the medical facts. let me tell what you we have coming up ahead. major news ahead. a major loss in court. rebuked for improper retaliation in the case of michael cohen
planning to write a book critical of trump. it is a big story. also on the program, we have congresswoman ilhan omar on this news. we're going to get into all of that and the wider consequences. also, a new probe that has been announced into the way the federal agents are being deployed in american cities. that's been a big story. we'll explain why that potentially brings changes. also, new revelations from inside the very central of the democrats' house impeachment team. we have the ultimate guest. a top counsel breaking his silence. have you heard about this? he was the source and he's on the beat. so we have a lot coming up. hi, i'm pat and i'm 75 years old.
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big news, president trump losing a major court clash today. a federal judge ruling that the president's effort to put his former lawyer, michael cohen, back in prison, was improper retaliation. a major rebuke of both trump and attorney general barr. the judge ordering cohen be freed and going further, ruling specifically the trump administration practice improper
retaliation for cohen exercising first amendment rights to publish a book. now, this is legally unusual. judges typically defer to prosecutors. and the judge add that had the way the barr justice department appeared to go after cohen's plan to criticize his old boss in a book was something the judge said he had never seen in 21 years of being a judge and sentencing people. a big story and we have several items to get to including this one. i'm thrilled to tell you, rejoining us back on "the beat" is congresswoman ilhan omar. how are you? >> i'm all right. we lead with this because as you know, there are many allegations of abuse of power and improper retaliation by this administration. tonight the news for americans to digest, this is not a debate or a he said, she said. a federal judge finding this is what the justice department was
doing. your response. >> i mean, i'm with the judge. this behavior is like em, something that he hasn't seen. and we've seen time and time again in situations where this president behaves in ways we've never seen in our country. this is a clear retaliation. and a violation of cohen's first amendment rights. and to think for so long, we've heard about the abuse of power allegations. we've heard about retaliation allegations against people that the president didn't like. now we get to see a clear example of how he has used it to go after cohen to set an example of how the behaviors of this president and his administration
mirrors that of a tyrant. it is unconstitutional and we must hold them accountable for this behavior. >> and it does echo the work on the impeachment that your caucus did. we have more news on that later in the show. here you have a judge saying, the united states government or donald trump is putting people in jail based on their first amendment free speech. no surprise to you, we want to turn to an important and many say disturbing story on capitol hill. congresswoman alexandria cortez said it was a blatant sexist and vile attack from a republican congressman. >> in front of reporters, the representative called me, and i quote, a [ bleep ]. i could not allow my nieces, i
could not allow the little girls that i go home to, i could not allow victims of verbal abuse and worse, to see that to see that excuse. to see our congress accept it. >> i can tell you that first hand. they've called me names for at least 20 years of leadership, 18 years of leadership. >> the congresswoman making the point to go to the floor. the speaker clearly backing her up. both of them spoke about why this is larger than one set of words or a political feud. do you agree with their emphasis on that? what do you want viewers to know about this incident that is clearly rising tensions on the hill? >> today, on my remarks today, i focused on bringing attention to
that larger problem. women experience this as girls. in playgrounds, the workplace and now we're experiencing it in congress. it is one thing for to us say this is a behavior beneath a congressman. but it is a behavior that is beneath any man, any boy, anyone of the opposite gender to us. to me what was really appalling in his nonapology, that he used his wife and daughters as a shield on why his remarks were not aabusive. i was raised by a dignified man and my father told me that it was important for me to remember that it isn't because a man has a daughter, a wife, a sister, a mother that he respects women.
it is important that he respects women because they are an equal human being. and this is what we expect. it is not just about whether you can have respect for us as women. it is, can you have respect for us as equal to you as your colleagues, as the human that you might walk alongside in the street. this is about fundamental equality. it is quite shameful that we get to have this conversation in congress. one of the highest offices in our nation and to have young women confront an elder statesman who should know better. it is really a reckoning for
many who have exercised this kind of abuse. you've seen the stories of so many women being shared on social media. 95% of them describe similar situations as the one alex described. you know, they are going about their day advocating for them. and a man feels like he needs to go out of his way to insult and assault that woman. and it cannot stand any longer. >> and i'm running briefly over on time. i watched her entire remarks. they were quite striking. they were about women all over the country. she also referenced when the president told her and several of you to go back home. i'm curious what you think about whether the democratic ticket will be fully diverse or perhaps
an all white ticket. i'm curious about if you think part of what is happening here is an attack on women of color and exercising power. >> yes. many of my colleagues talked about the roots of this word and when it began to take shape. that was when women got the right to vote and it was a reaction to the perceived power women would have. now here we are, we've arrived. we have a female speaker of the house. you are seeing the number of women of color increase. it was talked about how over the 10,000 people who got to serve our nation in congress, only 79 of us are women of color. and so the recognition that we are equal. we have a space where we can share our ideas, advocate for
the things that we care about, and represent our communities equally, it is one that is still forming. and i hope there is a signal being spent with a ticket that solidifies that. that we are home, we are here, we are equal. and we can contribute at the highest levels of our country. >> that's what ties it all together from what people have lived through. it is about a reaction to women in power, people in power. >> women challenge power. they say. when you challenge power, it pushes back. we are not deterred. many of us are fighters. we've been through much more than this and we're here to stay. >> that's a fitting point. you've been on "the beat"
before. i home you'll come back. >> thank you. >> thank you. the clashes in portland, new impeachment revelations with the democratic insider breaking his silence on what went down. we're back in just 30 seconds. . we're back in just 30 seconds. the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. so, when you get a check... you can deposit it from here. and you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. you can detect suspicious activity on your account from here. and you can pay your friends back from here. so when someone asks you, "where's your bank?" you can tell them: here's my bank. or here's my bank. or, here's my bank. because if you download and use the chase mobile app, your bank is virtually any place. so visit chase.com/mobile. to breaking news on two big stories we haven't even had time to hit yet this broadcast. first, donald trump's doj, now getting scrutiny from a powerful watch dog, the doj's own
inspector general. you may remember the internal watch dog has led high stakes reviews from the clinton email case to surveillance of trump advisers in 2016 and it has announced it will be probing the fractions what went down in portland to some of the clashes in washington. there are more protests expected in portland where officials suggest they oppose much of what the feds are doing on the ground. let's take a look at this last night in fulfill the mayor was hit with tear gas. as you look here, we show you exactly what we have on our cameras. you can see the mayor. he'll be here next to the man in a pink hat. the incident shows how the feds' use of force appears to be impacting everyone from protesters to literally the executive in charge of the city they say they're trying to keep
safe. you've seen him with your own eyes. the review board dealt with potential abuse of police powers like this. maya wily. >> to see you. based on what we saw in this video, this ongoing clash, what do you see about the evidence that shows the feds are out of line? >> it's very clear that we have a president who has directed essentially an assault on civil liberties and rights of the citizens of portland and they don't care who they harm and they don't care who they use excessive force against. this is an outrageous situation and we should not soft pedal it. donald trump is pulling a page out of the, some bible that dictators read about how you
undermine democracy. you stoke violence. you suggest it is out of control and the elected leaders, the civilian forces that are the city of portland can't handle it, or chicago or albuquerque. then you send in quote/unquote, federal agents. remember, this is a force that is not supposed to be there engaging in police action if what they're doing is quote/unquote, protecting federal property. this has not been an exercise of protection of anything or anyone. and i don't think there's any question that we're seeing constitutional rights violations and unless this president gets checked, unless these practices are cushed by the courts, which are some of the few independent arbiters we have left, and the inspector generals, we know donald trump doesn't like
independent oversight. what we are seeing is something we'll have to deal with at the ballot box. >> really important and we're crushed for time so i'll leave this story there. i mentioned the other breaking news. as you just highlighted, the internal watch dogs are what donald trump has previously attacked. now one of them is conducting a review of this. it is a reminder of how many different places there is this retaliation. we bring in another one. the chief ethics lawyer you understand president obama but he's here tonight because you have the kind of of inside access that has been making waves including your huge "new york times" story. your book is a case for the american people. the united states versus donald j. trump. an insider account of the impeachment where you served in this crucial role. i like to open it up and be
trans parent with viewers. you have a story in the "new york times" today. >> ari, thank you for having me back. i appreciate that insight to peter baker's excellent story of the "times." no. it is not a norm eisen story. he w about the book. >> is it true? >> it is true. >> i know you're such a careful lawyer. what i'm saying, you were on the inside. the things you were reporting out are the source of this major headline. so walk us through what you saw on the inside. a push for a much more aggressive approach to impeaching donald trump. >> well, we saw a president who behaved in a way that we've never seen before in american history. we saw a through line as i
started my impeachment year swerving my wonderful colleagues on the house judiciary committee. the members and the members of the house. the problem we faced at the beginning of the year, how do you deal with a president like that? there is a constitutional tool. impeachment. i wrote about how we started with a very broad net. ten secret articles of impeachment that we drafted as a privilege of helping draft those and we focused down until we get two articles. i know i saw your tweet. why only two when you could have done ten? >> what are you doing reading my tweets? you're a busy guy. do you have time for that? >> i set aside a few minutes a day. >> let me tell our viewers what i said and then you will get the benefit of response. what i said was, wow, here is
all this new information. people can debate it out but there was a plan to be more aggressive and take the mueller report and use the five plus incidents of criminal injustice. and this says that pelosi ruled that out. i said, wow, why go as far as saying you want to remove the president from office, the biggest thing you can do, but not include the evidence bob mueller handed over. so i was raising that question. we give you your time. >> for only the third time in american history, pelosi and schiff managed to get articles of impeachment to the senate. that was a successful what it took achieve that success, the ubly of the democratic party, and the speaker is one of the great ones in the history of the
united states in doing this was to have the democrats come together around these two articles. one for abuse of power on ukraine. one for obstruction on ukraine. but those two are a microcosm of all ten impeachment articles that we drafted, that people can read about in the book. it's out tuesday. it is all contained there. the scandal epitomized the through line of the trump era. >> i have to jump in. i have to jump in. i know you're loyal. i know you're loyal to chairman nadler, speaker pelosi and barack obama. and as a counsellor, that is literally your job. there is no criticism with where you're coming from. but hindsight, 2020. the clarity now, should they have gone more articles? >> if we had done that, i
genuinely believe -- i would have had the ten articles. he richly deserve them. when people read what they were and the rest of the behind the scenes, you will see all the terrible things trump has done since the impeachment trial were all predictable before hand. buttari, politics is the art of the possible. you know that as well as anyone. i'm not loyal to a particular party or individuals. i'm loyal to reality. the reality was we couldn't get the mueller articles through. we were fortunate to achieve t unity. it is only through chairman nadler, chairman schiff and their colleagues that they got together to only the third time in american history. and the first time that a senator crossed party lines to vote against the president in his own party. for romney who has back great
hero in this book. and many other wonderful stories that will persuade readers that we did it the right way. we did it the right way. >> it is really fascinating to get your inside view. it was a big story. it is hard to believe, here we are with everything going on and covid, it was just a few months ago, right? in january that everyone was dealing with this. people still debate some of the nixon approach. i'm really glad that you came on "the beat" tonight, norm. >> also, you read the norm eisen tweet, the impeachment tweet. do you know the last tweet that i sent recommending a new album? >> no. i missed it.
your producers do not allow me to check your tweets while i mimic you. >> it was the new j cole. a very interesting artist who said something that you probably disagree with as the ethics coupor that you are. he said there is no right or wrong. only this song. >> well, but the song is ethics. so i agree with it. >> norm, come back soon. the attorney general is still under fire now for something in the black lives matter. later, the legendary cartoonist gary trudeau with a new trump book. trudeau with a new trump book if your dry eye symptoms keep coming back,
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reaction that has demonized police and called for the defunding of police departments. and what we have seen is a significant increase in violent crime in many in the cities. >> attorney general barr calling those racial justice protests extreme reactions. what is really extreme may be his state. most americans now support them and increase percentage backing in the wake of george floyd killing. a level that exceeds many divisions on other political issues right now. let's get right to it with rev rent al sharpton, my colleague with the host of politics nation but also the president of the national action network. good to see you, sir. >> good to be here. >> i mentioned the poll for the simple fact that mr. barr is not waging a policy war but a claim
that this suggests that mr. barr's view may be extreme. >> clearly the extreme is what is going on in portland. when you look at the fact that most americans have supported the protests and supported what we've done in reaction to what happened to george floyd, the fact is that the issue for the first time in decades of many of us working this, the issue of police accountability is main stream. what is extreme is the position of barr and those in the trump administration that act as though there's something out of the ordinary to ask policemen to obey the law. >> right. on that, you just said it. obey the law. the attorney general also makes the claim that people on this side of the issue which includes you, obviously, are, quote, demonizing all police.
what is your response to that, when as you mentioned, your issue is in police not killing people, unnecessarily. >> for him to say that is to say that policemen put their knee on people's necks for 8:46 and that's what most police would go along with. that is demonizing the police. the way you make sure police are not in any way demonized is to say that is not proper policing. it is not tolerable policing. most policemen don't do it and wouldn't stand for i. they are acting as if what was done to george floyd and others including breonna taylor is the norm. we're saying that is not the norm. it is against the law. and what must become normal, when they step outside the boundaries of the law, they must be prosecuted like anyone else. >> reverend al sharpton, we wanted to get you in on this busy night. so important. i should mention to viewers who watch us nightly will have seen that we ended the show the other
night with some of your really important comments about george floyd. i want to remind everyone, you can see on the screen. 5:00 p.m. eastern. you can catch reverend al sharpton. we have a very special guest that has donald trump's ire up many, many times. what's going on? we'll explain. >> and you go, person, woman, man, camera, tv. they say, that's amazing. place that you laughed about well the names have all changed since you hung around but those dreams have remained and they've turned around
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then when you go back about 20, 25 minutes later, they don't tell you this. go back to that question. and repeat it. can you do it? and you go, person, woman, man, camera, tv. they say, that's amazing. how did you do that? i do it because i have like a good memory. because i'm cognitively there. >> donald trump leaning into his cognitive test. we now turn to a celebrated hum humorist. let's see him. gary trudeau! the cartoonist. very serious, lampooning all kinds of politicians for five decades, sir. i should note you took trump long before he was new book, l.
more dunesbury in the time of trump. how are you? >> doing well, thank you. so happy to be with you. >> join knows about it. we'll show some of them. why is it important to you to be drawing and doing political satire in the trump era? >> because the the trump era, i finds its way into every corner of our national life. i've done this once before of simply writing on one theme for a long time, and that was during the gulf war. when we sent 600,000 troops to saudi arabia, i thought, wow, that's going to have a big impact society-wide, so i'll hold that up to the light and see what i can do with that for six months until the end of the war. that's the only time i've done it, but for the last three and a half years, once the president was inaugurated, i thought this
will be my approach, since i only have the sunday strips now, i stepped away from the dailies when i was working in television a few years back. with the sundays, i decided i would simply look at life in this country from a variety of perspectives as affected by donald trump because he's subtext to everything. he's impossible to escape. there used to be a time in this country where you could go for days or weeks without even thinking about who was president. >> let's look at that. you go in search of donald trump's brain with an explorer. fans will remember the echos of you doing this with reagan's brain. what do you get across here that's different than other mediums? >> well, first of all, you can draw trump's brain however you want. as i went from frame to frame, as i went from the various parts of his brain the prefrontal
cortex down to the amygdala, i was able to connect the emotions and the behaviors and the actions that those various parts of the brain govern to trump's actions in the real world. i don't know. that just seemed like an imaginative way to look at his presidency. >> you also inhabit his vanities. this is from the new book "loser." and it says trump, you see him suntanning. all the time he spends on tan and go hair maintain, it's clear he's the laziest president in u.s. history. do you view this as equal opportunity jokes or something particularly wrong in your view with this president? >> well, that particular strip was a mea culpa on my part. i isolated six of the seven
indelible than the one we're looking at now is him returning from tulsa getting off marine one is the makeup smeared across his open-collar shirt. that to me was an astonishing pulitzerworthy photograph. >> that's grits for the cartoonist mill. we look at your process. tell us how you've been doing this for decades because your stuff really does feel, i guess timeless. you've been doing it for a long time, but it's not like you're changing the way you draw, while other mediums like internet and television change a lot. >> that last shot you showed was an early strip from the first year, the one we're looking at right now, that was the very first strip. i was doing that in college. i've been doing it for about four weeks when a new syndicate offered me my current job. i don't have an interesting creation story. certainly one that my children
don't enjoy. it did not conform with all the things we were trying to teach them about delayed gratification and working hard to build a career. i just was -- had very good luck in catching the attention of somebody who wanted to work with me. >> my last lightning round question, you've been tough on a lot of politicians. worst president ever in your view? >> our current president. >> and there it is, that's final word, spoken like the blunt political satirist that you are. gary trudeau, known to so many for doonesbu"doonesbury". we'll be right back. (burke) at farmers, we know a thing or two because
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